we already hear some rumblings about perry getting back into the race, santorum -- >> oh, lord help us, no. please. >> i swear. >> please, no, not the return of rick perry. you cannot be serious. >> i swear to you. >> oh, lord. okay, jimmy, mr. cuccinelli, he sued over obama care, lost. sued the epa, lost. is there anything more dangerous to a political party than a leader who consistently picks fight he loses? >> how many times do you have to lose to be kaumd a loser. >> right. >> let's be honest about this, you have -- and i'm a resident of the commonwealth of virginia. >> you are, indeed. you know this man. >> well, actually no, i really don't. i don't care that he's a republican. to me it's not about your political ideology. it's about whether or not you think people ought to have equal rights. the theory of separate but equal is no longer the law of the land. under the 14th amendment we've said, and look at the panel you have on the screen now, you have a gay man, latino woman, and an african-american woman. under mr. cuccinelli's sort of theory of law, the 14th amendment doesn't